May 2018, Lugansk region, border area between the DPR and LPR.
Next to our house is a playground where a girl plays, and a plump woman sits next to her, her mother. The site was built by Yevgeny, and the stout woman is the wife of the man who once betrayed Yevgeny to the police. Allegedly, he sheltered the pilot of a downed Ukrainian fighter jet.
Yevgeny was kept in the torture chamber for several days. He does not tell what was done to him, but on his head there is a web of poorly healed scars on a damaged skull, and when he was finally taken to the hospital, his relatives at first could not even recognize him because of his completely broken face.
The neighbor who betrayed Evgeny lives three houses away from him. Everyone in the village knows that in fact there was no Ukrainian paratrooper and that it was all about the field near the river, because of which the men argued. The neighbor denies this, but his handwritten testimonies were shown to Yevgeny by the separatists during the torture.
That is life.
Context
News: Flight MH17 was shot down by a Ukrainian missile
Vesti.ua 17.09.2018EU calls on Russia to plead guilty in MH17 case
InoSMI 29.06.2018It's time to reveal the truth about MH17
AgoraVox 05/25/2017MH17: mirror of Russian terror
UNIAN 24.06.2017We are standing with Yevgeny, leaning on his car, in a picturesque forest, smoking and looking at the first villages of the Luhansk People's Republic in the distance.
— Eugene, do you know what can happen? For this they can take away not only me, but also you and your family.
Eugene shakes off the ashes and starts the car.
- Sit down.
The accident occurred just three kilometers away. At that moment, Eugene was just repairing the riser, when smoke appeared in the sky. Eugene looked in that direction and saw a huge civilian aircraft, which no longer had wings. The plane was spinning in the air and coming straight at them. Pieces of plating and equipment fell off the hull, and the bodies of people flew with them. There was no time to run. Eugene didn't move.
Then the plane crashed. Shortly after Yevgeniy reached the crash site, the entire territory was cordoned off by the Donetsk army. Only in the evening did he learn what he had seen with his own eyes. It was a crash civil aircraft MH17, which flew from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur with 298 passengers on board.
Since then, there have been many legends and fictions among the locals. That summer, their region was bombarded by Ukrainian aviation, and in the minds of the people, the perpetrators of both incidents, the bombings and the crash of a civilian plane, merged into one.
According to some, a civilian Boeing MH17 shot down a Ukrainian fighter. Others are sure that the bodies on the plane were not living passengers, but corpses from morgues. Allegedly, by the time of the fall, they had already decently decomposed. Another villager said that the passports of all the victims were allegedly found on deck, prepared in advance in a safe to make it easier to identify the victims.
In fact, these people know nothing and have not seen anything. They naively repeat the disinformation that was actively spread by the Russian media at the time and which was later refuted by experts.
In the memory of people who experienced great fear in those months, air strikes on their villages merge with the event that shocked the whole world on July 17, 2014. Memories are confused with propaganda, rumors and facts. Fantastic theories are born.
Grass grows and cows graze today at the site of the crash of Boeing 777 flight MH17. We came here by forgotten field paths, which even the separatists, who still guard the main access routes to this place, do not know about. In the DPR, this field belongs to specially protected areas.
International experts have pinpointed the origin of the weapon and the method of destroying the aircraft with a Buk surface-to-air missile that belonged to the Russian armed forces. The only thing left for the Donetsk authorities now is to stubbornly insist on their propaganda and not let anyone in here who could refute it with some kind of find.
Of course, the separatists here have already carefully collected everything they could. Nearby is a monument to the victims of the plane crash. Beneath it are candles and teddy bears of children who died in the accident. The toys were collected by the residents of a nearby village before they were confiscated by soldiers. There is nothing left here anymore. Field as field.
When I returned to Donetsk a few days later, the taxi driver who drove me said that four years ago a civilian plane had crashed nearby. Haven't I heard about it? Heard.
The happy driver spoke up. When this happened, he was not far away, fulfilling the order. On the spot, he was almost simultaneously with the local police, who were already building a cordon.
He stood there with the villagers for several hours and saw everything that happened. He remembers how they called at once Cell phones victims after their loved ones around the world learned this terrible news and, in desperate hope, tried to get through to those who boarded the plane in Amsterdam.
“Did you hear the telephones ringing in the body of the aircraft?”
"Which building?" the taxi driver laughed. “We saw with our own eyes how our countrymen stole everything they found from there: phones, tablets, money and jewelry. The ringing came from their pockets and backpacks.
The article is part of a book about Ukraine, Donbass: Wedding Room at the Voyna Hotel, written by reporter Tomasz Forro.
The materials of InoSMI contain only assessments of foreign media and do not reflect the position of the editors of InoSMI.
The Boeing 777 crash near Donetsk: the secret of the passenger list
Regardless of how soon the world becomes aware of the true culprits and reasons for the fall of the Boeing-777 of Malaysian Airlines near Donetsk, intriguing details of fraud with the passenger list become public knowledge the lost aircraft. After the publication of the article “Boeing-777 crash near Donetsk is a resounding failure of the US special operation!” its author received a letter detailing the mysterious situation.
Here it is:
I have been working with foreigners for a long time, the last two years I have worked with Malays. Therefore, when I saw information about Boeing on the Internet, and it was on July 17 in the evening, and, assuming that people I know might be on board, I immediately began to search for details.
First of all, I went to the Malaisiya Airlines website, but that evening it did not work, the information was displayed incorrectly, and there was nothing at all about the crash. It did not work until the next morning, and the list of passengers appeared somewhere after one in the afternoon. It was a table of the following columns: first name, last name, citizenship, age. First came information about the crew: name, surname, citizenship, position, age. It was clear that there were two crews on board, but this is understandable, because the flight is long, there is a change. Then there was information about the number of citizens by country, at that time, if I'm not mistaken, there were 42 with undetermined citizenship, and Europeans prevailed. And then the list of passengers. I ran through the names and surnames. None of my acquaintances, thank God, was there! By that time, I had read and looked at everything that was known about the tragedy, then I will be brief and state it in the theses:
1) 80-85 children according to the media. In the list, I counted 5 children aged 2, 3, 4 years. The next age was 18 or 19.
2) In the story about passports, the first open passport was in the name of 12 year old girl Sophie Charlotte Van der Meer. She was not on the list by any of her names or age!
3) A large number of Chinese citizens, although they were not on the list of citizens.
4) Two Ukrainians (with Slavic names and surnames).
5) Many passengers with first name, last name, age, but with undetermined citizenship. Surnames are predominantly Asian.
There were many questions in my head. But I had to go to work. And then I MADE A HUGE MISTAKE! I should have taken a screenshot of the page, but I didn't! At work, I learned that there was a family on board that I knew very well: Tambi Ji, his wife Ariza Ghazali and their four children 13, 15, 17, 19 years old. When the emotions subsided, the brain began to analyze. I tried to find a logical explanation for all the inconsistencies, but it turned out badly:
1) did not find them in the lists. They have 3 words in the name and surname, maybe they registered by one of these names. But where are the children? By age, there were no such people on board!
2) new passports and the absence of their owners on board. Deep mail, but why didn’t anyone say that the girl was someone’s daughter, sister, etc. and was alive, because by that time these shots had already spread all over the world.
3) a large number of Asian surnames, although the list was dominated by Europeans. Asians with European citizenship.
4) why were there not 2 Ukrainians who were on the list...
Already at home, I opened the computer again, but this list of passengers was no longer there! There were cargo manifests! The list appeared only this evening, and there I already found both my friends and the girl Sophie, whose passport was shown on TV.
Now that my head has cleared up, I suspect that it was the list of MH370 passengers, but also not entirely reliable, because there was no Russian in it, for example, who was on board the MH370.
If I at least remembered the names of Ukrainians from the MH17 list, I could compare these lists, but I don’t remember. I can only state with full responsibility that they were on the published MH17 list. But then deleted from the Malaysiaa airlines website, there were two of them and the names and surnames were Slavic.
In general, how to dispose of it is up to you. But only one earnest request, if you post it on the wall, please, without distortion, only in the form as it is.
Detail: I checked my browsing log, I visited the site on Friday Malaysia Airlines at 11:31, at 13:18 (the list was at that time and, apparently, on the page itself, because it looks like this http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/site/mh17.html and then I went to the main page (www.malaysiaairlines.com) and at 20:12 (by this time I already knew about deceased family, coped with emotions and decided to double-check, BUT the list was no longer there, but there were cargo manifests, the path of the pages www.malaysiaairlines.com , http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/site/mh17.html , http: //www.malaysiaairlines.com/content/dam/malaysia-.).
I also checked all the other pages I searched for listings, just in case I'm wrong, but NO! I remember very well what that list looked like and I still have the main clues in my memory: the type of the list, 2 Ukrainians in it, a large number of names and surnames, mostly short Chinese ones, and in the citizenship column “not certain”. Igor, I ask you to convey this information to those to whom it may be useful.
Now I can add this: https://www.facebook.com/AfrRock01?fref=ts This is the page of one of my friends' children. Now these pictures seem so ambiguous and predictive, and for me also a direct hint at a clear connection between the two disasters. (end of letter)
Let's draw some conclusions.
1. After a briefing by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on July 21, 2014, not a single sane person, who so far includes neither US President Barack Obama, nor British Prime Minister David Cameron, nor some other Western politicians, has any doubts that that the crash of the Boeing 777 flight MH17 on July 17, 2014 is a pre-planned provocation.
Unlike Kyiv, Washington, and London, Moscow has presented objective control data that no one has yet been able to refute.
True, there are numerous doubts that anyone is going to do this at all, since the organizers of the aviation accident have their own, far-reaching goals.
2. They are obvious and clear:
A). Blame the Russian Federation and the unrecognized republics of the South-East of Ukraine for the accident;
b). Present R.F. and the unrecognized republics of the South-East of Ukraine are accused of international terrorism and, thus, transfer the state of the conflict from domestic Ukrainian to international;
V). Force the world community to act as a united front led by the United States in terms of imposing sanctions against the Russian Federation;
The whole complexity of organizing this gross provocation was that it had to be carried out in close proximity to the borders of the Russian Federation, which has a developed radar field in this direction.
It is noteworthy that the head of the main operational department General Staff V.S. RF Lieutenant General Andrey Kartapolov in his report on July 21, 2014 referred only to the data of the Rostov Control Center air traffic, which has its own radar facilities.
Their capabilities for detecting and tracking air targets, including in range and altitude, of course, are very limited in comparison with the radar equipment of the Air Force and Air Defense of the Russian Federation.
From which it follows that at this briefing the main data on the flight of the Ukrainian military aircraft were not announced, since the funds radar control The armed forces of the Russian Federation at a distance of 50-100 kilometers are capable of detecting targets at altitudes much less than 5 thousand meters. It was at this height, according to Lieutenant General Andrei Kargopolov, that the Ukrainian Su-25 attack aircraft was discovered by means of the Rostov Central Internal Affairs Directorate.
In addition, there is no doubt that in the area of hostilities in the South-East of Ukraine, the Russian Federation has taken additional measures to control the airspace, in particular, A-50 AWACS aircraft are used and the number of radar posts has been increased. All information received by them is carefully documented. Simply put, the entire flight route, including the takeoff and landing airfield of the Su-25, is already known.
Thus, there is a fact: Russian Federation has irrefutable evidence of Ukraine's involvement in the downing of Boeing 777 flight MH-17. It is ready to present them to the international community at the moment when it considers it necessary to do so.
And the leaders of Europe after their conversation with Vladimir Putin know this.
Let us return, however, to the list of passengers of this flight. The organizers of the provocation, of course, had to take into account the danger of its disclosure, up to the publication of the countries and even the persons who organized it.
Such a development of events guarantees a grandiose international scandal and a catastrophic drop in the level of trust in the United States and its Kyiv puppets. Moreover, all this still threatens with huge multimillion-dollar lawsuits from states and individuals not to Malaysian Airlines.
From this point of view, the all-out reduction in the number of possible sources of lawsuits, in other words, relatives of the victims, seems to be very logical and understandable.
Therefore, in terms of conducting an objective, truly independent investigation, it is necessary:
1. Investigate and, if possible, make public the video footage of pre-flight inspection and inspection by passengers of flight MH17, data on the place and time of purchase of air tickets in order to establish the true number of passengers and their identities;
2. Conduct a genetic analysis of the remains of the dead to determine the degree of their identity with persons who declared themselves to be their relatives;
3. Organize an examination of the passports found on the spot for their belonging to the dead.
The answers to these and other questions will allow not only to name the organizers of the provocation and the perpetrators of the incident, but will also become the moment of truth for Washington and London.
more details: http://www.worldandwe.com/ru/page/katastrofa_boinga777_pod_doneckom__tayna_spiska_passazhirov.html#ixzz3Mvj1DAcU
Publication date: July 22, 2014 12:26 pm
As they say, the road is a spoon for dinner.
It's like time signals:
who did not understand about November 1, for that we repeat:
November 4, 2015
TASS
14:29
Media: about 50 people were on board the An-12 with the Russian crew that crashed in South Sudan.
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November 1, 2015
Crash over Sinai of a plane with Russian passengers (more than 220 people,
reported that everyone died), flying to St. Petersburg, in Egypt. Air crashes, most often - and this is easy to verify by analyzing the situation around such events around the world over the past 10 years at least - occur as planned!!!
1. Against the background of information hunger, when there is nothing to fill the media
2. on the eve of events for which it is necessary to prepare the public consciousness (to suppress self-control, to unite according to the meanest principle - a big trouble unites the people best of all),
3. respond to someone's demarche
4. as a training for disaster medicine workers
5. organ sampling, where without it.
Confused a lot today:
1. a hasty statement that not a single person survived, and this is long before all the bodies were found (search radius 15 sq. Km).
2. statement on the day of the disaster by Egypt that 4 people survived and they are in the hospital
3. presentation of information in the media: a lot of tears, close-up weeping faces of relatives, pitiful stories about the fate of the dead ... And what, without this, isn't it a pity for people? Or is it just nice to dig into an open wound? Or is the goal to evoke general fear?
4. unwillingness to admit the obvious, everything will again be attributed to circumstances or an accident. After all, the recognition of the truth will force an adequate response, and no one wants to answer essentially, so cowardly they hide their heads under their wings, and hastily pour money into the grief of relatives and friends, which also creates reason for reflection (in the USA there were many cases when the poor, in despair in another way to provide for his family, insured his life for a large amount and blew up the plane).
5. morality is seen in all this as follows: do whatever you want with us, and we will still be your friends - just let them into the world pie, give control of at least a piece of the globe ..
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July 13, 2015
Australia, Belgium, Malaysia, the Netherlands and Ukraine are calling on members of the UN Security Council to support the proposal to establish an international tribunal for the tragedy of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 that crashed in eastern Ukraine in July 2014, the press service of the Belgian Foreign Ministry reported on July 12, 2015.
BUT if this tribunal is as biased as those who conducted the official investigation, then there will be no sense in it, those who are directly suspected of being involved in the organization of the Boeing crash cannot be members of the tribunal. Why is there no USA, for example, or France? Let's not talk about Russia. Because these countries have strong evidence that in reality everything was different than Ukraine and the Netherlands are telling.
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The families of the dead Germans are suing Poroshenko, accusing him of involvement in the death of their relatives during the July 17 Boeing crash. And rightly so - he is guilty already because he did everything. to cover up the traces of the crime and interfere with the investigation in every possible way (meaning, of course, the collective Poroshenko).
Yu.Latynina said
14.09.2014
that we live in a time of secular religions, and that the sect of supporters that Putin blew up the houses is as crazy as the sect of supporters that "ukry" blew up the "Boeing"// RIGHT!! There are few good people out there.
BOEING REALLY KNOWN TO NATO, BUT ONLY FIRST IN THE NETHERLANDS THEY DID NOT refuel,
BECAUSE THEY DILUTED KEROSENE WITH WATER.
BUT everything is in order.
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A Malaysian Boeing 777 has just crashed into Ukraine, killing all the passengers, more than 200 people. The plane began to lose altitude from h = 10 thousand meters. It should be noted that this is a convenient height at which planes are shot down. This happened at a distance of 50 km from Russian border. The board from Copenhagen, according to the plan, was supposed to collapse, most likely on the territory of Russia. But a little missed, warriors.
Larisa Mironova 17.07.2014 17:44
When 4 Oct. 2001, TU 154 of the SIBERIA company fell into the Black Sea, they officially decided that it was Ukrainian. Air defense during training firing shot down a plane flying to Israel. But according to independent investigations, including mine, the fall from a height of about 11 km occurred due to external damage to the wing of the aircraft, the wing was literally riddled with shrapnel, and the death of the Tu 154 passengers occurred from a baro-crash while still in the air, which would be unlikely if the plane was shot down by Ukrainian. rocket.
However, even now the official version has remained the same. There is a suspicion that the Boeing 777 on July 17, 2014 was deliberately shot down over the specified territory, 50 km before entering the air space Russia, and this was most likely done by Europe. Actually, everything will become clear when the wreckage of the aircraft, their relative position, and the crash site are examined.
Larisa Mironova 07/17/2014 20:16
The fact that the Boeing 777 suddenly began to wag and lose altitude from about 10 km may indicate that there were failures in the cyber control system, and the automation began to fail. As a result, there was a fall. The plane did not burn in the air, there is no such data yet. And it would be visible at a great distance. This means that the reason could be a lack of fuel in the tanks, underfilling of kerosene or more water than is permissible, as well as faulty control devices - this could lead to a sudden shutdown of the engines and a forced decrease in altitude.
It could, however, be the following: the decrease in altitude did not occur as a result of the bombardment of the Boeing 777 with a rocket, but because in the last minutes of the flight both engines suddenly stopped, and the Boeing 777 began to descend due to the fact that the supply of fuel was limited - !! !due to the accumulation of ice in the fuel system!!! Ice could have formed from water, which is always present in the fuel, during a long stay of the aircraft in low temperature (at 11 km altitude) of the outside air during flight. Water, I repeat, could be more than possible. (The water content in jet fuels reaches 0.008 - 0.010% of the total mass of the fuel).
Water - as an option or as an alternative to underfilling fuel. Economic calculation - they wanted to save on fuel. Or they used fuel that was not sufficiently purified from water. Intentionally or unintentionally?
Larisa Mironova 07/17/2014 20:23
Euronews presented two versions of the Boeing 777 crash:
1. with reference to Potroshenko, they say that the pro-Russians recently seized from them (Ukrainian Armed Forces) equipment in working order, with the help of which they shot down the Boeing (this is nonsense, because the equipment abandoned by the Ukrainians was disabled beforehand, about which the Ukrainian military themselves said, i.e. it was a deliberate provocation prepared by Kiev)
2. Ukrainian military aircraft Su27 attack aircraft (less suitable for hitting ground targets than the SU-25, but quite suitable for this operation, however, there is no exact data - which 25th or 27th Su were involved) accompanied the Boeing and attacked it in air, this is the version of the DPR militias with reference to eyewitnesses - local residents. Some saw two attack aircraft escorting a Boeing 777. They also saw the moment the plane attacked and crashed passenger aircraft, and then the fall of the Ukrainian SU-27 attack aircraft. There is already a video recording of the moment of the fall, before that a characteristic noise is heard - an attack on a Boeing from an attack aircraft. The Boeing, which was visible, no longer had a wing when it flew over the territory controlled by the DPR.
However, the aircraft can lose a wing on its own, due to a sharp loss of speed, because. the aerodynamics of the wing is such that at low speed it loses its ability to resist, so low speeds are extremely undesirable, and here, from the moment the altitude was lowered, the actual planning of the Boeing began.
There are no burn marks on the bodies of passengers, there are also clean books and documents, personal belongings of passengers, which means there was no fire inside the plane, but the destruction of the plane occurred while still in the air, the zone of debris and bodies scattering is too large. When the smoking debris fell to the ground, naturally, the grass caught fire, and from it parts of the aircraft. The scatter of bodies and debris is large - so far only a hundred bodies have been found at the main crash site, and there should be about 300.
I watch Potroshenko's interview with the Western media - he indiscriminately accuses the "seperatists", it is clear from his face that he is lying, although he is very nervous.
Black boxes seem to have been found, which means that it is closer to the truth. But those who found it don't even know what they should look like. Perhaps a mistake. Found something else.
Still, I tend to a complex two-stage or even three-stage terrorist attack - first, the control system was disabled, because of which the plane began to lose altitude and wobbling, then just before the crash site, the engine and / or other part of the aircraft was damaged, possibly from the accompanying Boeing 777 attack aircraft or from ground devices.
The West urgently convenes the UN Security Council on the issue of this tragedy - of course, they will unanimously blame the militias. And this is even before receiving the conclusion of the commission on decoding the black boxes! And Potroshenko, from the very first minutes after the disaster, demands that NATO immediately begin a ground operation in the southeast. Biden himself decided to join the investigation, so that the results will be deliberately accusatory in the direction of the militias, this has already been announced in advance. But at least Biden knows the geography, doesn't confuse Iraq with Iran, and distinguishes Slovenia from Slovakia. He also knows that Georgia, with its capital Tbilisi, is not a continental US state. And this is reassuring.
Potroshenko also demands and demands that NATO immediately begin a ground operation against the DPR and LPR! It will turn out like in Iraq - first they executed Saddam for weapons of mass destruction, and then they did not find this very weapon of mass destruction in Iraq. But millions of Iraqis were killed. Such is the price of the total madness that has struck the minds of Western politicians.
Larisa Mironova 07/17/2014 23:51
What is happening now at the Security Council is beyond good and evil.
Now there should be no doubt whose work it is. I did not think that the West would be so primitively substituted. Today is the last calendar day of this world order.
On June 17, 2014, a dirty cheap adventure put an end to the history of the destruction of the old world. I strongly suspect that I will also have to return to the story of the downing of the TU-154 of the SIBERIA company, flying to Israel, on October 4, 2001 over the Black Sea. And to the fall of the Polish plane near Smolensk. There is some connection here. Then, in 2001, Ukraine began to turn away from the gates of Russia towards the West, this was back under Kuchma. Defense Minister Kuzmuk resigned, he was very offended, but you can’t argue against the president. What really happened, no one knows yet. But it was also a dirty job, and not at all a "blunder" (?!) of the Ukrainian shooters. Thank God, Kuzmuk is alive and he knows a lot. Let's ask him. But Kuchma was taught how to say it, and he said it. And everyone still repeats this "fool".
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Premature announcement of the culprit in the downing of the Malaysian airliner
Boeing 777 - they say, it was done, as they put it, "south-eastern separatists and Russia", in itself is significant. Although, according to all the data available at the moment, the criminal adventure was staged by Kiev with the full support and according to the plan of the West. Now it's obvious. We must stop making excuses to the UN Security Council and launch an offensive on the propaganda front. Now we need to conduct a thorough investigation with a full base of evidence, inviting Malaysia, the Netherlands and representatives of all interested countries to participate in it. And it is best to conduct this investigation in Moscow. Openly, under a video camera, with a display in the media. Time to go on a propaganda offensive. Enough of the co-opting. Now this is a surprisingly winning situation for Russia to turn the tide of events - paranoia is incurable, they do not agree with the paranoid, their status is diagnosed and isolated in the international arena. I mean the political establishment of the West in 2014 and, of course, the Kyiv junta.
And let's put things in order in Russia! Without this, it will be difficult to move on. "Collective Putin" is mired in a liberal swamp to the very head. And pulls the whole of Russia into this swamp.
Larisa Mironova 07/18/2014 19:40
It is necessary to identify the bodies as soon as possible and be sure to fix the coordinates from where each body was taken. This will be important to determine from which places these passengers fell, so you can determine how the plane fell apart, and where other debris flew away, the fact that many bodies have not yet been found may indicate that part of the aircraft, maybe. the tail or side fell earlier, because the Boeing 777 over the territory of the DPR was already flying without a wing. It is also necessary, without touching the object, to take a photo of where the remains and wreckage of the aircraft are located, perhaps the tail or one wing fell earlier, and the search radius will be larger.
Option 3, fantastic: some of the passengers, the crew, ejected, but died during the fall. Perhaps it was a lake. But, if they fell on the territory of Ukraine or Poland, then the traces could already be cleared. It is necessary to turn on the inspection of the area directly from the point of wobbling of the Boeing along the trajectory. This is about 150-250 km northwest of the crash site, or even earlier.
However, by the way they lie, you can also understand something about the truth.
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So, what are Kyiv politicians mythologising about so hastily and aggressively:
1. The fact that the militias do not let a commission from Malaysia into the accident site, so the Malaysians sit in Kyiv for three days, and the bodies of the dead decompose in the heat. - It means that the junta deliberately drags out time, does not want an investigation, is afraid of it.
2. They also told the Niders that the militias are dragging bodies and parts of the aircraft from place to place, i.e. actively change the picture of the scatter of debris and bodies - zn. the junta is aware that the plane fell apart in parts, first one part fell, then, at a considerable distance, another, which is why they deliberately reduced the estimated radius of scattering of bodies and search - up to 6-9 km. That is why they needed a version that the militias had already hidden some of the bodies (they do not admit how many bodies are actually in the refrigerators, and where is part of the wreckage)
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3. In fact, the bodies and debris can be (or were) on Ukrainian (from Poland) or even on Polish territory itself, and not only on the territory of the DPR controlled by the militia. From there, these bodies were dragged to the territory of Novorossiya. (She is pink on the map.)
It is necessary to start the search from the place where the trajectory began to decline, and this was 250 km from the crash site. Obviously, what must be borne in mind - on Ukrainian or Polish territory, all traces of bodies and debris could already be covered. But you still need to check, there will still be some traces of debris and bodies there. Service dogs must be used.
In the meantime, there are still many disagreements and direct speculation.
However, the Kiev junta still bluntly claims that the Boeing 777 was shot down by the militias, citing reports that they had air defense systems half an hour before the tragedy. Experts say that the militia does not have such weapons - the Ukrainian side itself stated that they "fell into the hands of rubbish." Nevertheless...
Since July 17, after the first report of the Boeing 777 crash, official Kyiv has called on NATO to immediately destroy Novorossiya. Experts of all stripes are intensely sorting out versions of the tragedy that claimed the lives of almost 300 innocent people. foreign citizens.
The version about the capture and use of Ukrainian missile systems "Buk" by the militias, replicated with unprecedented persistence by the Ukrainian media, as well as by Euronews and other Western media, was personally denied by Ukraine's Prosecutor General Vitaliy Yarema. According to Ukrayinska Pravda, he reported this to Petro Potroshenko immediately after the crash of the Boeing 777.
After the passenger plane was shot down, the military reported to the president that the terrorists did not have their Buk and S-300 missile systems. The army did not capture this weapon !!!
Thus, the words of the adviser to the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Anton Gerashchenko, who stated that the liner was shot down by the militias with the Buk missile system, as well as the words of Potroshenko, who blamed the militia for the plane crash, were refuted. Nevertheless, all this disinformation is still walking and walking in the media, not as the main one, but as a working version. And in the European media there are articles under a large heading:
"Putin killed 300 Europeans."
The media of Ukraine, which never differed in speed of work, exactly five minutes after the disaster, simultaneously issued massive messages that could not be written even in 20 minutes, let alone thought about or investigated during this time. Even I can't always think so fast. The momentary filling of the information field with detailed analytical materials suggests that the Ukrainian media were prepared in advance for hasty and uncontested coverage of the catastrophe with an accusatory bias towards the militias and Russia.
This version is also supported by the rapid dissemination of fake talks by "militias" about the downed Boeing, as well as a fake video in which allegedly "pro-Russian" people are driving a Buk from Russia and then back with one missile already fired ... "Evidence" instantly spread throughout the blogosphere , blogger gmorder was one of the first to publish them.
We look at the date of creation 2014-07-16 19:10:24.
This date, July 16, 2014, cannot be changed down in any way, unless the same video is re-uploaded with a more recent date.
It is also noteworthy that, unlike most other airlines, the flight route of the Malaysian Boeing-777 did not go around the conflict zone, but flew right over it. At the same time, the trajectory of the route of the same flight previously ran much to the west, as can be seen on the map. According to a Spanish air traffic controller working at the Ukrainian Boryspil airport, the flight of the Malaysian Boeing-777 was accompanied by two Ukrainian fighter jets. Some eyewitnesses of the Boeing crash also saw two aircraft in the sky next to the Boeing 777. In the video posted online, only one plane is visible going to a height, at the very moment when the Boeing in puffs of black smoke (which usually happens when an engine is damaged) flies to the ground. A mushroom rises at the point of contact of the Boeing with the ground, “the hat consists of three prominences of different shapes. This information is confirmed by many sources. Experts believe that the flight path could have been significantly adjusted.
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After analyzing the latest events in the international political arena, we come to the following conclusions:
a logical chain becomes apparent, as a result of which almost 300 passengers of the Malaysian plane died. Let's remember what the situation was in the world the day before. On July 15, it became known that nine European countries intend to block the imposition of sanctions against Russia by the EU. Already on July 16, the United States, bypassing the European Union, unilaterally tightened sanctions against Russia.
The next day, on July 17, a Malaysian Boeing crashes over Donbass. And they blame the pro-Russian militias and Russia, as usual. And they demand an immediate ceasefire - from the militias, of course, because there are no claims against the junta's punitive battalions, they act, in Washington's opinion, very "restrainedly."
It's time to end the chaos. An impartial investigation of the disaster on July 17, 2014 will put everything in its place. The bandits must sit. And not in the Rada or Beldom, but in other places.
However, already now one can see a complex, it seems, after all, a three-stage structure of this international terrorist attack. (A terrorist attack is not necessarily when an Islamist with a suicide belt blows himself up in a crowd, or who was in the cabin of a Boeing 777 during the flight,
A terrorist attack is any violent act committed in a public place with the aim of intimidating people, society, a state, or a group of states. The purpose of the attack and its nature can be very different.
Of course, here, logically, all possible parties should be involved - the Malaysian and the Netherlands, including, so that, avoiding responsibility, it would be more convenient for the Kiev junta to incline the investigation to the version of guilt in the crash of the Boeing 777 of the DPR militias. NATO, of course, must be present here with inevitability.
In short, the organizers of the Boeing 777 crash near Donetsk needed the maximum internationalization of this crime, so that it would be easier to attack innocent militiamen and Russia with the whole world tied by the same blood. Malaysian pilots can be completely excluded from the list of suspected complicity only after finding and identifying all 15 bodies of the crew members. So far, only about 250 bodies (out of 298) have been found.
So, it can be assumed with a high degree of probability that the events of July 17, 2014 developed according to a pre-prepared, yet three-stage scenario, Kiev would never arbitrarily decide on such an adventure, even if all American consultants demanded that Potroshenko do just that.
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So, the alleged three-part plan of the terrorist attack on July 17, 2014, which led to the fall of the Boeing 777 at about 16-30 Moscow time. 50 km from the border with Russia in the territory controlled by the DPR:
1. 07/17/2014 in the Netherlands at the airport they make an underfill of fuel, there is exactly enough fuel in the tanks to fly to the point of impact (presumably to the border with Russia, but due to the fact that the plane, having lost one wing, did not fly straight, but wobbled from side to side, which reduced both the speed of the Boeing even more and changed the coordinates of the point of impact downward, as a result, it fell 50 km closer than planned), or there was significantly more water in the fuel tanks more than allowed, and then pieces of ice clogged the fuel lines and blocked the supply of kerosene to the engine.
2. Perhaps, on the border with Poland or not far from the border with Poland, on the territory of Ukraine already, a Boeing 777 was attacked by a rocket that exploded nearby, causing one wing to fall off, and the cabin was depressurized. Some of the bodies could have fallen out of the plane right there and then. As a result, the Boeing 777 lost one wing, and parts of it began to spread from the impact of the shock wave after the explosion of the rocket, but retaining the general direction of movement for some time. The attack with the help of a missile was most likely carried out from a NATO base in Poland, this is a NATO missile, or Polish, not Ukrainian, because in the northwestern part of Ukraine, where the already shot down Boeing 777 was flying, there were no military operations, and no combat points were deployed from which it was possible to hit the Malaysian Boeing 777.
The fuss with dragging beeches, the seizure of records of conversations between dispatchers and pilots, when the Ukrainian military let the fog go beyond measure, looks more and more like a red herring to divert suspicion from the Polish side, which, very likely, could not only launch a missile in the direction of a Boeing 777 17 July 2014, but also took part in the bombing of the South-East.
3. In the immediate vicinity of the crash site, the Boeing 777, which was already flying with one wing and would inevitably crash if it fell to the ground, was attacked by a Su-27 attack fighter (some believe it was a Su-25), which is clearly visible on the video, obviously, in the area of the engine, (so that the plane crashes with a full guarantee, so that no one survives and to hide the traces of the previous attack and still more confuse),
the Boeing 777 crashed, thus, where it was planned, although it is still 50 km closer than planned, otherwise it could have significantly gone deeper into the territorial space of Russia, and the version of the downing of the plane by the militias would have disappeared by itself, all the more, it would have been completely participation in this catastrophe of Russia itself is excluded. That's why an attack aircraft was needed at the final, third stage - it destroyed the traces of the two previous stages and corrected the crash site. The second attack aircraft could carry out escort.
You can check whose "dryers" were in the air at that moment over the specified territory.
In addition, near the ground, the cockpit of the aircraft could be fired from mobile ground means, and from both sides of the aircraft at the same time (grenade launchers, etc.), in order to kill the pilot and ensure the inevitable death of all passengers during the collapse of the aircraft in the air.
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21. 07.14 15:45
Now all the bodies have already been found, only fragments of 15 bodies remain, perhaps they all belonged to the crew of the Boeing, if so, then it can be assumed that the main blow, perhaps by an air-to-air missile fired by a Ukrainian or Polish attack aircraft shortly before the landing of the Boeing, or from ground means, fell on the front of the aircraft, in the place where the raft cabin is located, there is also a compartment for personnel. This is another argument in favor of the fact that the blow fell just on the engine, which could still work, although the Boeing was already descending due to the loss of a wing, as well as proof that there was no longer any fuel in the tank - hence the black smoke without flames when falling within a few seconds after the attack on the Boeing.
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And the world has been living in such a madhouse for more than a dozen years!
The world must change not only the configuration, polarity, but also the semantic field, because few people want to live in a madhouse, unipolar or multipolar. Even if there are great opportunities for making big money.
What is the point in them if tomorrow everything can collapse in one moment?
There is no need to immediately demand a truce from the militias, it is only for the benefit of the junta - the Kyiv hawks will not calm down, they only want the militias to capitulate, since they cannot be broken. But it will worst case of all possible. After all, the junta was created not for peace, but for violence against the world. She will never recover.
The militias should not be prevented from winning.
They need to be helped in every possible way and worldwide.
They are the world's only hope for the world so far.
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21. 07. 14 23:25
A vote has just passed in the UN Security Council.
The resolution is this - to conduct an international investigation into all the circumstances of the crash of the Boeing 777. So far, no threats either towards Novorossia or towards Russia are reflected in the resolution. Well, at least something.
Sanctions against Russia will be discussed tomorrow at the Council of Ministers of Europe and the United States. Today all the media Western countries editorials were issued accusing Russia and whitewashing Kyiv. Who made these accusations? It is clear that the BBC and SNN set the tone: they are rewritten by other world media, everyone repeats the same lie voiced by Potroshenko. What is freedom of the press in Western world. How will they be laundered when the results of the investigation are ready and a different point of view prevails? Poland will never be recognized, it will cover itself with Ukraine, NATO will not give itself away all the more. And the USA...
In England, flight recorders are already deciphering the contents of black boxes.
There is nothing hidden that would not become clear over time.
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But not all of the West is so funny.
For example, Hollywood star Steven Seagal performs the anthem of Novorossiya with great inspiration from the stage.
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August 28, 2014
The mystery of the black box will never be revealed!!!
All the deadlines that were appointed and postponed again have passed, about black boxes - a minute of silence that threatens to never end. And everything is simple - I was right, as always. The culprits are the Netherlands and NATO in the first place, how do they admit it? Russia and the militias have nothing to do with it. Ukraine is a bargaining chip in someone else's game.
July 27, 2015
If the official public in Russia continues to sluggishly mumble something unintelligible in its defense, they say there is no need to hold a Boeing 777 tribunal, because it will be biased, then the matter will end with the inevitable defeat of Russia. Putin is the defeat of Russia, that's what everyone, everyone, everyone should have understood for a long time. It's a creeping defeat, but a defeat! Instead of taking an active position, our diplomats endlessly shake the air in an excuse mode - there is nothing to justify, we must finally take an offensive position. A Boeing tribunal is needed, but wide and open, and then it will become clear that the crime was planned back in the Netherlands. Ukraine, however, joined this conspiracy, to the best of its ability and desire to spoil Russia. And this is obvious. There is no need to be afraid of the tribunal. But Russia should initiate this tribunal. meanwhile, Putin continues to actively play his own game, supporting the Poroshenko regime.
July 27, 2015
The scenario for the MH17 crash was written by the CIA. Part 1
Today is two years since the tragic crash of the Malaysian Airlines Boeing-777 in the sky over Ukraine. There are still more questions than answers.
I. The plane was shot down according to the scenario of Operation Northwoods
Few people paid attention: the scenario of the disaster and further events is fully consistent with the American operation "Northwood" (Northwoods). The operation was planned in 1962 by the US Department of Defense and was designed to prepare American public opinion for an armed invasion of Cuba in order to overthrow the government of Fidel Castro. The operation involved the implementation of terrorist acts with imaginary or real victims on the territory of the United States, Cuba and other countries, including hijacking, imitation of hostile actions under a false flag, acts of terror organized by the state.
With regard to downed civilian aircraft, the declassified source says literally the following:
“It is possible to create an incident that convincingly demonstrates how a Cuban aircraft attacked and shot down a civilian charter airliner heading from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The direction is chosen so as to cross Cuba. Passengers can be students or any other group of people with a common interest to justify using a charter flight outside the schedule.”
If we assume that in Ukraine we are dealing with such a special provocation operation, it becomes clear why the civilian Boeing seemed to be deliberately sent through the ATO combat zone, where navigation actually no longer worked. Moreover, they released the plane from the transport corridor.
“At the Eglin Air Force Base, an aircraft will be prepared, painted and numbered as an exact duplicate of a civilian registered aircraft belonging to an organization under the auspices of the CIA in Miami. At the appointed time, the backup aircraft, filled with specially selected passengers under carefully prepared fictitious names, will be replaced by a civilian aircraft, controlled remotely.
And remember again: on March 8, 2014 and July 17, 2014, two aircraft of exactly the same modification were lost 777-200ER the same airline. Such a coincidence, you see, can hardly be an accident. The meaning of this situation lies in saving on operations: the aircraft does not need to be repainted, it is only necessary to replace a very similar number ( MO on MD). They fell for greed.
“The takeoffs of the radio-controlled and real aircraft will be coordinated in such a way as to ensure that their paths intersect south of Florida. After that, the plane with passengers will descend to the minimum height and land on the additional field of the Eglin airbase, where the passengers will be evacuated, and the plane will be returned to its original status.
The radio-controlled aircraft, meanwhile, will continue to fly along the intended route. Over Cuba, he will begin to transmit a signal on the international distress frequency SOS about being attacked by a Cuban MiG. The transmission of this message will be interrupted by the destruction of the aircraft via radio signal. This will allow International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) radio stations in the Western Hemisphere to inform the US of what happened to their plane, thereby saving the US from having to "sell" the incident."
Now let's compare this plan with several key events of 2014:
1. On February 23-27, 2014, the leadership of the executive power of Sevastopol and the Autonomous Republic of Crimea was changed. The new Crimean authorities declared the illegitimacy of the new leadership of Ukraine and turned to the leadership of Russia for assistance and assistance, which provided the Crimean authorities with all possible support.
2. On March 7, 2014, a delegation of the Supreme Council of Crimea met in Moscow with Chairman of the State Duma Sergei Naryshkin and Speaker of the Federation Council Valentina Matvienko. Naryshkin said that Russia would support the free and democratic choice of the population of Crimea and Sevastopol. Matvienko assured that the senators will support the decision to join the Crimea to Russia, if it is made.
3. On March 8, 2014, the Boeing 777 flight goes missing. MH370 Malaysian Airlines. The wreckage of the plane was never found. In the future, a version runs and even testimonies from residents of the Maldives appear, which give reason to believe that the plane was hijacked and landed on the territory military base Diego Garcia V Indian Ocean. These facts are not commented on by the West.
4. Mid-July 2014 - parts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (about 5,000 soldiers and dozens of pieces of equipment) fall into the Izvaria pocket. On July 16, the cauldron was closed, hundreds of servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were dying in the Izvaria cauldron.
Again, such coincidences are not random: expecting such a random coincidence is like waiting for a coin tossed in the air to land on its edge. Therefore, we have no doubts: the operation was planned by US intelligence agencies and implemented by the armed forces of Ukraine in order to blame Russia. And. blame immediately for the events in the east of Ukraine and for the alleged downing of the Boeing. The very next morning after the tragedy, the media came out in the West with such accusations, with portraits of Russian President Putin and the image of the Buk air defense system.
However, a lot has gone wrong - a year later, the West cannot figure out how to “hang” a plane on us. The problems started from the first day.
II. Strange video recording with Ukrainian Buk
Immediately after the disaster on the leading Ukrainian portal liga.net an article was published with the title: "Poroshenko on the Boeing 777: the army has no targets in the air." Samantha Power in the UN Security Council, in their lies, they went even further and stated: “The Ukrainian military had SA-11 (Buk) systems in their warehouses, but there were no such weapons near this area.”
Samantha Power
However, we know what happens when the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing. In this case, all attempts to justify themselves for the downed plane are refuted by the following video from the Ukrainian media the day before the crash:
The video shows: the Buk air defense system and the Kupol SOC (target detection system) of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are in full combat readiness in the ATO zone as of July 16, 2014. It turns out: they have targets in the air. Followed: Are Poroshenko and Power lying?
III. Fakes
Immediately after the disaster in Ukraine, a lot of fakes are born. This strategy was also part of Operation Northwoods: Generate Lots of Rumors.
Fake 1. A photo of the "contrail" in the Snezhnoye area, capturing an absolutely clear sky! The real sky at the time of the disaster was quite cloudy.
Fake showing a contrail from Snizhne
The actual situation at the time of the explosion of the aircraft.
The actual situation according to meteorological services from the report of the Commission. The green dot indicates the last position of the aircraft, followed by the maximum cloud cover - 8 out of 8. Doesn't look like a perfect clear sky, is not it?!
Fake 2. “Telephone conversation” by Igor Bezler (Bes), who reported the downed plane to “his curator” in Russia. But everyone knows that Bezler was defending Gorlovka at that moment, so he could not have first-hand information about the situation in the Grabovo area. Moreover, the record refers to a plane that crashed behind Yenakiyevo (32 km from the site of the tragedy), that is, a completely different plane. This information was then rebroadcast in the Western media as obvious evidence of Russia's guilt. The hackers discovered The recording was made before the plane crashed. .
Fake 3. The recording of another conversation claimed that the militia, according to them, according to the fake, had already become “easier after the arrival of Buk” - they (Buk) had already “managed to knock down two dryers yesterday and already the second one today.” At the same time, judging by the chronology of events in the Ukrainian media, Buk arrived at the place of combat duty only a few minutes before the downed plane!
Moreover, not a single aircraft before the Boeing contained traces of the defeat of the Buk air defense system, all were shot down from portable air defense systems. The entry ends with an intriguing horror story - a statement about an imminent attack by Russian troops on Ukraine.
There were many provocations - a photograph of the "Russian fighter" in the Buka Sanya Sotkin (with identification marks!) With studio-quality processing and theatrical facial expression depicting an idiot. Or the movement of a clean “shooting” Buk urgently “back to their homeland”, and, as you know, to such a state it only takes two or three days to wash it after a shot. Or the version that Russia wanted to shoot down the Aeroflot flight (which actually flew 140 km from the war zone), and then blame Ukraine. Missed.
It is reasonable to ask the following question to Pan Poroshenko and the Ukrainian media: if you are so sure that you are right, why do you lie so much? The word "right" and the word "truth" are similar, aren't they?
IV. inconsistencies
Mismatch 1. Few have bothered to compare latest video from a plane with real fragments. But in vain. The video clearly shows: the marking of places is to the left of the handle, and at a considerable distance. The markings on the fragments of the aircraft are strictly above the handle, and on the right, not on the left.
Interior photo on video - seat numbers are on the edge of the shelf, to the left of the handle.
Close-up of interior detail with shelf number 31 HGFED.
The scenario for the MH-17 crash was written by the CIA. Part 2.
V. Mathematical calculations
Place of defeat
Mathematical calculations show that the plane was hit at a distance of over 34 km from the town of Snezhnoye. The aircraft began to lose speed no later than at 16.20 and disappeared from the radar at 16:21.35 at a speed of 200 km / h (presumably at an altitude 5000 meters). Real cases and mathematical models of such catastrophes show that the time of falling debris is unlikely to be less than 2 minutes, and the distance traveled to the point of impact is unlikely to be less than 20 km.
Radar data suggests that until 16:20.43 the aircraft was still flying at a speed of about 900 km/h 40 seconds of flight at this speed is already 10 km. Interestingly, after the alleged defeat, the aircraft first increased, not decreased speed. The distance from Snezhnoye to Rassypnoye is 18 km. Before Rassypnoye, the cockpit flew 6.5 km after its separation from the aircraft. Only after separation of the cabin (not before) the speed began to fall. It is obvious that the separation of the cabin did not occur immediately, but some time after the explosion. According to radar data, the cabin separation time was about 40 seconds.
We get:
From Snezhnoye to Rassypnoye: 18 km;
From Rassypnoye to the cockpit separation point: 6.5 km;
From the place of the alleged defeat at 16:20.03 to the separation of the cabin and the beginning of a catastrophic drop in speed at 16:20.43 - 10 km.
Total: 34.5 km.
These facts, however, do not coincide with the data of the Preliminary Report of the International Commission, according to which the estimated coordinates of the point of destruction of the aircraft are 48º07‘37.7”N; 38º31‘34.7”E, closer to the crash site. It was probably advantageous for the commission to submit a report in which the site of the aircraft's destruction would be as close as possible to the town of Snezhnoye. However, such a conclusion contradicts the laws of physics and mathematics.
The nature of the damage to the aircraft, severe damage is highlighted in red.
According to the materials of the International Commission's Preliminary Report, the destruction of the power frame of the airframe of the nose of the aircraft can be attributed to the most severe damage. It was these damages that led to the further destruction of the aircraft. At the same time, it is obvious that these destructions did not lead to the immediate stalling of the aircraft in a dive.
Until the moment when the plane began to crumble, it moved horizontally, and did not dive. Usually, one missile hit is not enough to immediately destroy an aircraft with a mass of about 250 tons (the warhead of a missile is 70 km, the mass of striking elements is about 2 times less, while most of them do not hit the target). The kinetic energy of the striking elements that have reached the target is too small (much less than 0.1% of the corresponding indicator of the aircraft) to lead to a significant change in the characteristics of the movement of the aircraft, or the immediate destruction of its structure. It can be concluded that the aircraft gradually descended to 5000 meters, where it crumbled.
At the same time, we are not inclined to judge that the defeat occurred much to the west of Kirov (see below). The destruction of the bow resulted in a relatively rapid loss of speed than would have been the case with standard planning.
Therefore, it is unlikely that the Buk air defense system could shoot down a plane from Snizhne (the main version of the Ukrainian media), since 35 km is the limit of performance characteristics. And at the limit of performance characteristics, Buk works with a low probability of defeat. It is also necessary to take into account the flight time of the rocket, during which the rendezvous occurred. At the time of launch, the aircraft would be even further away, not to mention the fact that having only the Buk air defense launcher available, without a target detection system and a command post for processing information, it becomes impossible to hit the target at the considered distance. The beech in this case will turn into a blind weapon that will fire "from a cannon at sparrows."
Rocket launch site
We covered cases of air terror in detail in the article “History of air terror. Who is to blame for the destruction of aircraft in the air. It remains for us to ask only one question: how many more years and how many more victims will it take for the "world community" to pay attention to the "Aeroterror" of the United States, to stop indulging and broadcasting everything that is beneficial to the United States? Perhaps the existence of an operation "Northwoods" can also be attributed to the invention of Russian propaganda? It's time for the world to say a resolute "no" to US provocations.
Issues to be resolved:
3. If another plane crashed - who are the people who flew in it?
These questions were asked by us on the Russia-1 TV channel in a program dedicated to the loss of the Boeing-777 in March 2014. Frankly speaking, the fate of the passengers of this flight is unknown. Based on the scenario of Operation Northwoods, these are specially selected people, that is, those who have connections with the special services. Changing documents and legends for them is not difficult.
However, we understand that this is a sensitive issue, people may have relatives, so if the assumption about their recruitment is incorrect, then we would not want to hurt the feelings of relatives. Perhaps time will reveal more information regarding these terrible events.
There have already been many speculations about the fate of the passengers on this flight. However, as of March 27, 2015, 296 dead bodies have been identified (all but two passengers). Thus, if you follow official version, the list of people who flew out corresponds to the list of those found in the Donetsk region.
Nevertheless, there are also an endless number of questions here - the identification process dragged on for several months and we did not see the indignation of their relatives. In general, we have seen very little of them. On April 9, 2015, 569 documents relating to the disaster were released by the Dutch authorities. Personal Information the dead passengers of the plane and their relatives were retouched.
However, we are not ready to make statements on this subject. In the meantime, there is too much evidence in favor of the scenario of a pre-planned provocation.
4. Why come up with such a complex scenario?
In our opinion, for maximum effect. If special people are not involved in the special operation, the probability of failure will increase dramatically. Relatives will do their best to get to the bottom of the truth, in case something goes wrong, the truth will immediately be revealed. The consequences of such a failure are difficult to overestimate. In complex intricacies it is always easy to hide the ends in the water! The main thing is not to get confused by them.
However, all details of the operation are unknown. There is no complete picture of the provocation. It is unlikely that we will know the truth in the next 30-40 years. All the information we can rely on today is hypotheses.
5. Could the Buk air defense system quickly destroy the plane?
Here experts disagree:
The Russian Union of Engineers claims that the striking elements “can pierce the fuselage of the aircraft, but, given the dimensions of the Boeing 777 (63.7 meters long, with a large wingspan of more than 60 meters), they cannot lead to the destruction of the aircraft into separate small parts, like this happens to planes that are seven to ten times smaller.” In addition, "there was no plume in the form of thick white condensation from the combustion products of rocket fuel, as well as a contrail that appear and persist for several minutes after launch and are visible within a radius of at least 10 km from the rocket launch point."
Experts from the manufacturer of the Buk air defense system insist that the plane was destroyed by the Buk. Corresponding traces of damage by various fractions of striking elements were found, the striking elements themselves of the "I-beam" type. The form of a “heavy” fragment in the form of an “I-beam” is used only in 9M38M1 anti-aircraft guided missiles equipped with a high-explosive fragmentation warhead 9N314M, which makes it possible to unambiguously determine the type of warhead - 9N314M. The indicated warhead is equipped only with missiles of the 9M38M1 modification.
However, we cannot be satisfied with this answer, since no damaging elements have been presented so far. The warhead contains 32 kg of striking elements: about 4500 I-beams weighing 8 g and about 1500 cubes of 4 g each. Of course, no more than a few percent of this number hit the plane, but the world saw the first sample of the striking element only on March 19, 2015, later 8 months after the disaster. Why was it impossible to do this before?
6. Perhaps, after all, the Boeing shot down the plane?
An air strike is likely. At least, this can be at least some explanation for the changes in the parameters of the aircraft at around 16:21.43. A heavy rocket flying at high speed can significantly change the speed characteristics.
In addition, such a version was voiced in December in Komsomolskaya Pravda by an employee of a military air base in Dnepropetrovsk, who did not want to give his last name for security reasons. On July 17, 2014, in the afternoon, an airplane took off on a combat mission SU-25 Ukrainian Air Force, piloted by a captain Voloshin. On board were R-60 air-to-air missiles with a thermal guidance principle. They can fly up to 10 kilometers in search of a target.
Voloshin returned to the airfield with empty ammunition. Flight Director Dyakiv asked the captain: "What's wrong with the plane?" Voloshin replied: “The plane was at the wrong time and in the wrong place”. Immediately after the publication in our newspaper, the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation provided the important witness with state protection. In June, the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation decided to declassify him: a citizen of Ukraine Agapov Evgeny Vladimirovich, who served as a mechanic of aviation weapons of the first squadron of the tactical aviation brigade of the Ukrainian Air Force in military unit No. A4465.
When an investigation has been going on for such a long time, and no journalists, stakeholder experts, or the public are allowed access to any information, such an investigation, in our opinion, cannot be considered independent. Any conclusions and evidence of the commission for such a period of time may be falsified. By the way, at the request of the Ukrainian side, information can be withdrawn from the announcement of the data of the expert commission.
Hence, various versions still have the right to exist. Moreover, the commission of inquiry has not yet rejected the version of the attack from the air. Theoretically, this could mean the presence of both an attack from the ground and an attack from the air. This version is very unlikely, but it could explain such a rapid destruction of the aircraft.
By the way, we would not take on faith any statements of the commission of inquiry. So, for example, immediately after the crash, the information was different: the last reliable data was transmitted by the aircraft transponder at 16:18 local time over Gorlovka, after which reliable information stopped coming and was finally lost at 16:20.
This means that our version of the plane crash for a longer time receives additional confirmation. But this is too inconvenient for the Ukrainian side, because the whole version with Snezhny is collapsing! If, however, these data are correct, then the likely picture of the incident should be changed: over Gorlovka, a Boeing was fired at the cockpit from a cannon by a military aircraft, and then was finished off from the Buk air defense system in the Zaroshchensky area.
Traces of an attack by a military aircraft.
However, a version of a missile fired by a military aircraft is still not excluded. For example, like this:
The well-known collage, in which a military plane shoots down a Boeing at 16:19.47 local time, is most likely a fake.
In particular, the collage claims to be a photograph from space, but uses Google maps from 2012, and the time is incorrect (UTC 1:19 instead of UTC 13:19). However, many perceived it as a deliberate stuffing in order to hint to the States that we know everything.
7. Boeing was not shot down at all?
There are versions that there was no disaster at all, and pre-prepared debris was dropped from a transport aircraft. This version was presented by Yuri Mukhin. The author convincingly, using photographic material, proves that on the wreckage we see traces of the work of a tool - hydraulic shears. Some of the wreckage, in fact, contains cuts that could not have been created during a catastrophe of this kind. In addition, all the wreckage of the aircraft is approximately the same size, as if cut into pieces in advance, convenient for transportation by a transport aircraft. During accidents of this kind, large pieces are always contained, this is provided by sufficiently strong materials from which the aircraft is made.
However, the edition New Straits Times tried to explain the presence of many pieces of approximately the same size by building a model of the destruction of the aircraft:
However, since contradictions in the official version of the incident are visible to the naked eye, one can believe in any version, even the most fantastic one, since it provides at least some explanation of the events - something that is not in the official conclusion of the commission.
8. The commission does not provide information to the public for too long.
There is too little meaningful information in the Commission Report.
There is no exact flight route - even a year after the accident, it was not made public. Still would! It is not difficult to guess how many questions will be asked about this "exact route".
There is no protocol for conversations in the cockpit. At first, there was so much talk about the topic that the last voice on the recording did not belong to the pilots. Everyone was intrigued. Today we have only radio and telephone communications with dispatchers. The Report states that the Commission has 30 minutes of perfectly clear footage that ends abruptly at 16:20.03. There is nothing interesting, says the Commission, there. But what about the intrigue? There is a hypothesis - the recordings are interrupted earlier, and the last voice on the air on behalf of MH17 may be from another device. But they promised to provide records a year ago. Was it really that difficult?
There is no information about what traces of damaging elements were found in the aircraft, in the bodies. Samples of chemical analyzes of the debris in the affected areas were not made.
9. Why did the Commission refuse to deliver all the wreckage to the investigation site?
This fact is very strange. In conditions of complete confusion of the case, not to use the opportunity to obtain all possible information - it's criminal. This fact indicates that the commission is not interested in the investigation.
10. The plane was flying very strange.
The maximum cruising speed of the Boeing 777 is 905 km / h, while it must be taken into account that the aircraft flew with almost a full supply of fuel, which increased its weight. Why was it necessary to exceed cruising speed, because it is very uneconomical? There is clearly no talk of impressive financial results of the airline, the austerity regime is very tough. Typically Boeing 777s fly much slower.
The plane left the transport corridor, and the controllers decided to ask him to return there. If you think about the conversation with the dispatchers, then it gives a lot of ground for doubting the adequacy of the situation. Dnepropetrovsk's conversation with MH17 begins with an exchange of pleasantries at 16:08 local time. After that, 12 minutes Dnepropetrovsk does not communicate with the plane at all.
All this time, flight MH17 is not passing through the transport corridor, it is going into a dangerous rendezvous with the other two aircraft. Additional tension is provided by flight altitude restrictions, which greatly narrow the air corridor. Why didn't the Dnipropetrovsk air traffic controllers themselves send the plane back into the corridor? We see only two reasons - they did not need it, or the plane had already been attacked by this time.
Protocol of conversations with dispatchers.
The transport corridor was very heavily loaded, and the maneuver to the north looks highly unjustified.
In our opinion, the information presented in this article confirms that the whole picture of the disaster from beginning to end is deliberate spectacle Western provocateurs, as well as all the events of the "color revolution" called "Euromaidan".
Witness: Malaysian Boeing-777 was shot down by Ukrainian attack aircraft
Donetsk, Torez. Downed Boeing-777, with my own eyes. Autumn 2014
MH17 aborted flight
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